I’ve been using Firefox since the 2.0 days. I stuck with it when everyone moved to Chrome, because I knew what kind of beast Google was. I stayed on this side of the fence despite the rough performance pre-Quantum and the stormy transition to WebExtensions. This kind of fascist BS, though, I can’t forgive. Not because of the extension in question, I don’t even use it. It’s unforgivable because it proved that Mozilla simply doesn’t practice what they preach. I had been suspicious about them for a while due to certain precedents, but now I know for sure that all their talk of openness and freedom is just a facade. You are on the same side as the bankers, the media moguls and all the rest. Goodbye firefox, I won’t miss you.
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Errr. Your examples from https://m.imgur.com/a/21TZ578 did not show “hate towards vulnerable groups.”
They show people talking about the guardian and a disdain for Marxist ideals.
If this is what’s classed as hate speech by this end of the political spectrum, Then now I have to question who sent these complaints about TOS violations. If anything, you have just added to the concern that these are not legit complaints and are just a push to remove free discussion.
Then again, your post is ambiguous. Are you trying to say that the goal of the app is to allow talking truth to power? Because all I see is people dissenting against Marxism and the guardian. Given that your title for this image collection is “From dissenter :(” i find that unlikely, but still.
Would love to hear your clarification on this.
Note: Links and quotes have been Ctrl + C / Ctrl + V from the post and link, If anything has changed as of this post, They have been edited.
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Translation: our overlods at google, opensociety, et al would like us to start banning addons that support your freedom and liberty like dissenter, or anything else that doesn’t align with a narrow political view (aka wrongthink). So please bear with us while we continue to offer you lips service about freedom and openness while at the same time restricting it. But, we promise we’ll do it slowly and over a protracted time window so you don’t notice.
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Not you, not my browser and not google. Tech companies need to focus on making good tech, not trying to be the arbiters of social justice. Your job is make a good browser. Full stop.
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Translation: question 7, box 1.
Yet mozilla just banned an addon that was made specifically for sharing views from anyone and everyone. dissenter… This is all pretense. Mozilla sold out to their overlords google and opensociety.org They don’t care about any of this, they give you lip service while removing your freedom in so many ways.
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Its going to be interesting to see what your original comment was that a person would flag it. My original post was flagged and hidden as well but it appears to be restored.
If its as you describe, a definition of free speech, then getting flagged is a perfect example of the problem that Dissenter was designed to combat.
Ideological censorship is real, and short of gross and untruthful misrepresentations, I have yet to see any reasoned coherent explanation for removal of the Dissenter addon.
I doubt its possible to give a ‘real’ reason for the removal, its all going to be doublespeak and unearned virtue signalling.
Free speech is fundamental to freedom, its the main tool to protect everyone against dictatorships tyranny and of course the boogeyman of recent years FASCISM
This professor of linguistics says it much better though:
I did a quick search of mozilla.org and found zero references to ‘free speech’, I wonder if there used to be a statement on the same and if it was removed?
https://www.google.com/search?&q=site%3Awww.mozilla.org+"free+speech"
Anyways the point of this post was to ask to see your original.
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You wont always agree with free speech, this is the point. Mainstream Media control a narrow narrative that they want you to see. It often chooses not to cover stories or output highly misleading content.
Surely you are not saying free speech is bad? It’s the first amendment for a reason. Free speech includes speech you don’t like.
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Yes, its goal is free speech. There is no such thing as hate speech, its a meaningless term designed to allow a tiny group to spoon feed you news and control the narrative; is that what you want? To be a drone who is told what to think?
People need to toughen up, don’t like what Dissenter says (it’s the most civilized comment thread I’ve ever seen btw) then don’t install the extension. What’s the problem?
Would you shut down all speech that offends anyone? Who should decide this stuff?
Even this thread will probably be closed. You’re begging to be a drone, wake up.
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After more than 10 years using Firefox, even in the worst days i keep Firefox because “A non-profit with one mission: defend the free and open web” but with this censorship, i em going to brave now.
really disappointing, i really regret helping in the code, simple thing years ago but now i regret every single help i lend to Mozilla.
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It has been a week since I started this topic in the hopes of making Mozilla aware of the seriousness of their mistake.
In this time I have contacted Mozilla through their input form https://qsurvey.mozilla.com/s3/FirefoxInput/ several times requesting at least a reply on this matter,
Today I will make the same request for a final time again in this thread.
Mozilla, Please respond.
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This is deeply troubling. I cannot belive that the web browser of the free and open internet removed a app that allowed freedom of speech. How often have people said, “If you don’t like what is out there make your own”. Now they did and everyone just banned it. There is also NO option to keep developer plugins auto loading and up to date. Not only is this a massive inconvenience it shows us Mozilla’s true colors. I cannot believe they have not even issued a statement on this.
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I finally got around to reading the reply Mozilla made to Gab and its worse than I expected, no information whatsoever, its just an unsubstantiated claim of breach of acceptable use which falls exactly into what my first post pointed out (Notwithstanding of course that Dissenter appears to be inline with the First Amendment and deletes/censors the most extreme language to that standard).
The ENTIRE BROWSER ITSELF can be used for any purpose whatsoever including the most terrible things imaginable.
So fundamentally if the claim of a standard of USE, is that a plugin may not ever be used for something ‘bad™’, then to not be completely ridiculous and obviously hypocritical, Mozilla must apply that standard of use to the browser itself.
Therefore they must shut down Firefox now.
Its so hard to imagine the mental gymnastics required to think this is a good idea.
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I never ever before heard about that thought. Nice and good organization.
I am confused. There is an April 23, 2019 archive of this page at the WayBack Machine, however, I cannot create an additional updated record right now at https://archive.org/web/ inputting Save Page Now: “The removal of the Dissenter extention”
The saved page that appears shows:
Oops! That page doesn’t exist or is private.
which seems incredibly suspicious
I assume you get the same issue saving other threads on these boards?
Pages containing scripts to pop out of frames or otherwise reload may not work on the Wayback Machine. I recently was trying to screenshot one that reloaded continuously, testing my skills at clicking the Stop button at just the right moment. (Perhaps I should have disabled JavaScript? Hmm…)
Yeah, I tested another topic, and same issue.
I’m in the process of switching to waterfox (firefox that allows not-so-active plugins like Youtube Video Blocker, Youtube Video Downloader, etc). currently not working with waterfox. Hopefully more knowledgeable people step up to the plate like they did with linux.
'sounds like what they did to their CEO for supporting the notion that marriage is a relationship commitment between a male and female partner [who do not part except in death…heh]
Mozilla joins the censorious gestapo. Dissenter was deleted from my machine without warning or any choice on my part - just plain evil. SJWs destroy every organization they can infiltrate. Mozilla will be irrelevant in 10 years. Just the motivation I needed to move over to Brave.